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	<title>Comments on: Livin Large in China - part III</title>
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	<description>MICHAEL W. DEAN and his furry friends</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael W. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....that almost made me spit soda on my monitor laughing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL&#8230;..that almost made me spit soda on my monitor laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chery Zheng</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Chery Zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the web nobody would know if you're a cat. Meww!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the web nobody would know if you&#8217;re a cat. Meww!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael W. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....Or maybe Chery IS deng, cheeta, et al. 

Just kitten.......

And I.P. sleuthing is an inexact science from where I'm sitting. Though cops can do it better, to answer your question. And they need access to the DSL provider's logs and sign-up info though. Which I don't have (and wouldn't want!) 

MWD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.Or maybe Chery IS deng, cheeta, et al. </p>
<p>Just kitten&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And I.P. sleuthing is an inexact science from where I&#8217;m sitting. Though cops can do it better, to answer your question. And they need access to the DSL provider&#8217;s logs and sign-up info though. Which I don&#8217;t have (and wouldn&#8217;t want!) </p>
<p>MWD</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael W. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sit corrected.</description>
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		<title>By: Chery Bomb</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1154</link>
		<dc:creator>Chery Bomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you're just hilarious. I'd love to show you my ID to prove that Zheng Qi is my real name but too bad you don't read Chinese anyway. As for where I live, I believe Dr. Skip could answer that question for you with pleasure...

I don't think you should trust ur IP list anymore, Interpol, at least not when it comes to Asia. Will an American policeman be able to catch a Chinaman in China Town, NY? There was another time when you said there was no IP from China among your podcast downloaders, but Skip downloads every single one of Clone the Homeless.

So there you have it.

However, I do think that this is the funniest joke you've ever made. Love ya for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you&#8217;re just hilarious. I&#8217;d love to show you my ID to prove that Zheng Qi is my real name but too bad you don&#8217;t read Chinese anyway. As for where I live, I believe Dr. Skip could answer that question for you with pleasure&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should trust ur IP list anymore, Interpol, at least not when it comes to Asia. Will an American policeman be able to catch a Chinaman in China Town, NY? There was another time when you said there was no IP from China among your podcast downloaders, but Skip downloads every single one of Clone the Homeless.</p>
<p>So there you have it.</p>
<p>However, I do think that this is the funniest joke you&#8217;ve ever made. Love ya for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael W. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Deng, cheetah jacobson, ivan denisson and Zheng Qi are the same guy, and he is in Australia. 

I'd hate to think some guy pretending to be in China might get my site blocked in China.

Maybe it's all one guy in China using an Australian proxy....Though you don't need a proxy to get on Stink Fight.....yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Deng, cheetah jacobson, ivan denisson and Zheng Qi are the same guy, and he is in Australia. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate to think some guy pretending to be in China might get my site blocked in China.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s all one guy in China using an Australian proxy&#8230;.Though you don&#8217;t need a proxy to get on Stink Fight&#8230;..yet!</p>
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		<title>By: SkiP　ＬｕｎＣｈ</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>SkiP　ＬｕｎＣｈ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that Kind of police action Would be more interesting if it were in Your Backyard! Just Imagine.

My new guitarist is black [ex-player in FUNKADELIC!!]...and he was on the scene.... 

_china correspondent 
SkipLuNCH, LOVING BEIJING, ...nonetheless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that Kind of police action Would be more interesting if it were in Your Backyard! Just Imagine.</p>
<p>My new guitarist is black [ex-player in FUNKADELIC!!]&#8230;and he was on the scene&#8230;. </p>
<p>_china correspondent<br />
SkipLuNCH, LOVING BEIJING, &#8230;nonetheless</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael W. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. I've grown bored with this, and I'll out what I've realized from IP logs last week: 

--ivan denisson 
--cheetah jacobson
--Stephen Deng

are all the same person. He, whoever he is, lives in China. (Unless it's three roommates sharing the same computer in China. Man....I'd not digging rooming in that pad.) 

MWD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I&#8217;ve grown bored with this, and I&#8217;ll out what I&#8217;ve realized from IP logs last week: </p>
<p>&#8211;ivan denisson<br />
&#8211;cheetah jacobson<br />
&#8211;Stephen Deng</p>
<p>are all the same person. He, whoever he is, lives in China. (Unless it&#8217;s three roommates sharing the same computer in China. Man&#8230;.I&#8217;d not digging rooming in that pad.) </p>
<p>MWD</p>
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		<title>By: ivan denisson</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>ivan denisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drinking and Dancing while Black, part iii
(featuring crack for Skip Lunch) 

by Laurence Brahm 
(a 46-yr-old New Yorker in Beijing, author/filmmaker, and all-round Shambhala guy - http://www.shambhala-ngo.org/Bjkis_media.htm )

www.scmp.com    Nov 13, 2007           

  
  At 9pm on September 21 in Beijing, Chaoyang district police cordoned off the popular Sanlitun bar district near the diplomatic compounds. They then proceeded to round up any black people in the area, handcuffed them and herded them into detention. Anyone who questioned why they were being treated like animals, without rights, was beaten up. Diplomats' children and international students were caught up in the race-based round-up, and people were hurt in the process. 

  The foreign diplomatic community was alarmed. It occurred just minutes away from the doors of their embassies, and less than a year before the start of the 2008 Olympics - when China is supposed to show the world how civilised it is. People were being rounded up like cattle, regardless of what nation they were from, and indiscriminately beaten as part of a sloppily executed investigation into Nigerian drug dealers. 

  China's leaders should realise that such indiscriminate sweeps are not in the nation's best interests so close to the Beijing Olympics. Such action does not show the nation's best side to the foreign media. If police in the Chaoyang district want to do something about drug dealing, they should shut down its plethora of brothels, where crack cocaine is big business. 

  When a number of diplomats raised concerns about unwarranted police abuse affecting the diplomatic zone and their families, the Foreign Ministry just denied that the incident had ever happened. That is despite the fact there were a number of local and international witnesses, including journalists. 

  Why would it do this? One problem is that when mainland authorities investigate any matter, the organisation concerned investigates itself. The probe begins at the top, and continues layer by layer - each protecting the others. So, in the case of the alleged police abuse in Sanlitun, the officers assigned to the case will believe their own people's accounts, and report as much to higher authorities like the Foreign Ministry.

  Clearly, the central government needs an independent body to investigate abuses at all levels of all departments. Local abuses are protected through local protectionism. This has become the new meaning of "Chinese characteristics". There are signs that the problem has spread like a cancer through the nation. Still, no one expected it to explode in the heart of Beijing's diplomatic community. 

  It is very easy for a perceived race-based round-up to be interpreted as "racist", and the story to be spun as an extension of Chinese chauvinism and nationalism, clearly not the image China wishes to portray to the rest of the world. The police abuses in Sanlitun cannot be ignored by the international community, mainly because the government clearly chose to ignore the reality. Someone at the Foreign Ministry should read the Vienna Convention of 1961, which enshrines the principle of "diplomatic immunity". Clearly, though, diplomats and their children should realise, after this incident, that Beijing's police force either does not understand this principle - or doesn't care about it.

  Many wonder whether the Foreign Ministry would have responded differently if it had been citizens from a member of the Group of Eight nations who were rounded up. Does China see all people as equal? China's officials, from President Hu Jintao down, like to repeat the slogan: "All countries are equal". Indeed, given its tragic history of foreign "spheres of influence" and the Japanese invasion, China has a right to demand equality. But it also has a responsibility to stand by such a principle.

  That begs the question of whether China wishes to use its economic clout to serve as a voice for developing countries. Or is it only saying what these leaders want to hear in order to secure energy resources, as some have accused it of doing in Africa? Many people feel disappointed that China has not stood up for developing countries' interests more in international forums. Moreover, diplomats in Beijing of those same developing nations feel let down when the Chinese government fails to protect the rights of their citizens, especially when they are victims of officially sanctioned racial abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drinking and Dancing while Black, part iii<br />
(featuring crack for Skip Lunch) </p>
<p>by Laurence Brahm<br />
(a 46-yr-old New Yorker in Beijing, author/filmmaker, and all-round Shambhala guy - <a href="http://www.shambhala-ngo.org/Bjkis_media.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.shambhala-ngo.org/Bjkis_media.htm</a> )</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scmp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.scmp.com</a>    Nov 13, 2007           </p>
<p>  At 9pm on September 21 in Beijing, Chaoyang district police cordoned off the popular Sanlitun bar district near the diplomatic compounds. They then proceeded to round up any black people in the area, handcuffed them and herded them into detention. Anyone who questioned why they were being treated like animals, without rights, was beaten up. Diplomats&#8217; children and international students were caught up in the race-based round-up, and people were hurt in the process. </p>
<p>  The foreign diplomatic community was alarmed. It occurred just minutes away from the doors of their embassies, and less than a year before the start of the 2008 Olympics - when China is supposed to show the world how civilised it is. People were being rounded up like cattle, regardless of what nation they were from, and indiscriminately beaten as part of a sloppily executed investigation into Nigerian drug dealers. </p>
<p>  China&#8217;s leaders should realise that such indiscriminate sweeps are not in the nation&#8217;s best interests so close to the Beijing Olympics. Such action does not show the nation&#8217;s best side to the foreign media. If police in the Chaoyang district want to do something about drug dealing, they should shut down its plethora of brothels, where crack cocaine is big business. </p>
<p>  When a number of diplomats raised concerns about unwarranted police abuse affecting the diplomatic zone and their families, the Foreign Ministry just denied that the incident had ever happened. That is despite the fact there were a number of local and international witnesses, including journalists. </p>
<p>  Why would it do this? One problem is that when mainland authorities investigate any matter, the organisation concerned investigates itself. The probe begins at the top, and continues layer by layer - each protecting the others. So, in the case of the alleged police abuse in Sanlitun, the officers assigned to the case will believe their own people&#8217;s accounts, and report as much to higher authorities like the Foreign Ministry.</p>
<p>  Clearly, the central government needs an independent body to investigate abuses at all levels of all departments. Local abuses are protected through local protectionism. This has become the new meaning of &#8220;Chinese characteristics&#8221;. There are signs that the problem has spread like a cancer through the nation. Still, no one expected it to explode in the heart of Beijing&#8217;s diplomatic community. </p>
<p>  It is very easy for a perceived race-based round-up to be interpreted as &#8220;racist&#8221;, and the story to be spun as an extension of Chinese chauvinism and nationalism, clearly not the image China wishes to portray to the rest of the world. The police abuses in Sanlitun cannot be ignored by the international community, mainly because the government clearly chose to ignore the reality. Someone at the Foreign Ministry should read the Vienna Convention of 1961, which enshrines the principle of &#8220;diplomatic immunity&#8221;. Clearly, though, diplomats and their children should realise, after this incident, that Beijing&#8217;s police force either does not understand this principle - or doesn&#8217;t care about it.</p>
<p>  Many wonder whether the Foreign Ministry would have responded differently if it had been citizens from a member of the Group of Eight nations who were rounded up. Does China see all people as equal? China&#8217;s officials, from President Hu Jintao down, like to repeat the slogan: &#8220;All countries are equal&#8221;. Indeed, given its tragic history of foreign &#8220;spheres of influence&#8221; and the Japanese invasion, China has a right to demand equality. But it also has a responsibility to stand by such a principle.</p>
<p>  That begs the question of whether China wishes to use its economic clout to serve as a voice for developing countries. Or is it only saying what these leaders want to hear in order to secure energy resources, as some have accused it of doing in Africa? Many people feel disappointed that China has not stood up for developing countries&#8217; interests more in international forums. Moreover, diplomats in Beijing of those same developing nations feel let down when the Chinese government fails to protect the rights of their citizens, especially when they are victims of officially sanctioned racial abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.stinkfight.com/2007/09/16/livin-large-in-china-part-iii/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BEIJING: Chinese customs officials caught a heroin smuggler after noticing he was wearing "weird sandals," state media reported Monday.

Xinhua News Agency said a Nigerian was detained last week in Zhuhai, which borders Macau in southern China, after he was caught carrying more than 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of heroin.

It said attention was drawn to the man because he was "wearing a pair of weird sandals."

"Police X-rayed his suitcase and found another pair of strange sandals in it," Xinhua said.

The heroin was hidden in the soles of the two pairs of sandals, it said. Xinhua did not describe the sandals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BEIJING: Chinese customs officials caught a heroin smuggler after noticing he was wearing &#8220;weird sandals,&#8221; state media reported Monday.</p>
<p>Xinhua News Agency said a Nigerian was detained last week in Zhuhai, which borders Macau in southern China, after he was caught carrying more than 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of heroin.</p>
<p>It said attention was drawn to the man because he was &#8220;wearing a pair of weird sandals.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Police X-rayed his suitcase and found another pair of strange sandals in it,&#8221; Xinhua said.</p>
<p>The heroin was hidden in the soles of the two pairs of sandals, it said. Xinhua did not describe the sandals.</p>
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