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(reprint of a conversation I had with a stubborn young liberal lady on http://forums.conservativepunk.com/forums.)

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff ….I see, what does that have to do with redistribution of wealth?

Michael Dean replied:

Cap ‘n’ Trade (or as some call it “Cap ‘n’ Tax), as well as gob’mint intervention with companies who should be allowed to fail (and then the gub’mint has the right to cap salaries of executives, which drives the good ones to retire early or move to a non-regulated company), higher business taxes, manipulating the lending rates, and much more that has gone through in the past year or is planned since Obama came in, are all going to punish the rich and reward the poor (including bums who don’t WANT to work.) That will “redistribute the wealth.”

Obama’s plan is inspired by one of his favorite books, written by Cloward and Piven in the 60s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward…Piven_strategy

Cloward and Piven decided that socialist/communist revolution “in the street” (i.e. the violence of the Yippies and the Weather Underground) was not working, and the solution was to GET EVERYONE ON WELFARE, COLLAPSE THE SYSTEM, THEN REDESIGN IT SO NO ONE CAN BE RICH AND NO ONE CAN BE POOR.

Obama’s doing all this crap to get us all on some sort of gub’mint money handout/job (if health care plan goes through, gubmint will control 1/6 of the economy, in addition to all that they control now.)

He wants to eliminate competition. COMPETITION MADE AMERICA GREAT, AND DRIVES ALL LEAPS FORWARD IN BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY. (For instance, I’m all for “green jobs” and “green energy”, but from the private sector. They would do it better and quicker. Obama making the gub’mint in charge of it will, as he says “drive up the price of energy.” The private sector doing it in competition would drive the price down.)

The Obama plan is to take away all our rights, and having us work for the “benevolent nanny parent” of the State. Like the USSR was. Whereby you cannot criticize the gub’mint, or you’ll starve (or be in prison.)

ME? I prefer to be more self-sufficient, suffer if I fail, and not have big brother peeping into my bank account, web surfing, private communications, who I hang out with, what I buy, own and do, etc.

In Socialist countries, tax on business is 70%, inheritance is about 95%, so there is little incentive to compete to do well (again, competition makes a nation great, and drives all innovation). Why work your ass off inventing and marketing something groundbreaking, or running a small business that creates more jobs, when you’ll make very little more money than a factory worker, and you’ll have nothing to pass on to your kids even if you do somehow get rich?

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff Or maybe it could be to prevent one insurance company from monopolizing U.S healthcare and fucking us up even more?

Michael Dean replied:

You are under the state-school-taught delusion that everything needs controlling. Most systems (including economics) do better with little-to-no control, and do far worse under lots of control.

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff Then what about the shitty parents who would otherwise rather buy a new car than buy health insurance for their child? Shouldn’t there be a law protecting those kids? I mean sure, putting someone in jail for not buying healthcare for themselves is pretty fucked, but not for protecting kids.

Michael Dean replied:

Ahhh….the plaintive cry of every liberal and statist! “WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??!!”

I trust parents more than you. You seem to want the state to raise kids (ever read “1984″ by George Orwell? You should read it now, because they don’t assign it in college anymore, most likely. And will likely be a banned book in 10 years. Yes, I’m predicting book bannings. And burnings.)

My dad didn’t have health insurance until he was 40. He grew up on a farm, worked on the farm until 40, ate healthy, did physical labor. When he needed a doctor, he drove into town, saw one and paid for it. It was much cheaper than now, because there was very little government oversite, no HMOs, etc.

And if he was too sick to go into town, the doctor came to him.

My dad is 88, and lived through the Great Depression. It was preceded by similar gov intervention to what we’re seeing now. That stuff causes economic downturns, it does not prevent them.

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff But the fact is if all wealth went completely unregulated, all the money would go to a very small elite while the rest of us become really poor.

Michael Dean replied:

But if it is overregulated, it does go to an elite, and that “elite” is the Federal Government!

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff That ain’t the kind of country I want to live in.

Michael Dean replied:

Because everything should be bullied into being “fair”?

Hey…do you believe in unicorns too?

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Originally Posted by olivercloseoff That ain’t the kind of country I want to live in.

Michael Dean replied:

Then why don’t you move to France or Sweden instead of wrecking my country? I was here first!

MWD

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